日本社畜太難當！吉田社長の職場辛酸甘苦談 feat.JUN醬@OneJUNYA｜日本文化、日本職場、台日差異｜吉田社長 Japan TV

日本社畜太難當！吉田社長の職場辛酸甘苦談 feat.JUN醬@OneJUNYA｜日本文化、日本職場、台日差異｜吉田社長 Japan TV

Do you remember hitting the police ? “My life is over.” Assistant directors have no “human rights,” they’re basically slaves. I haven’t been home for about two weeks, and I feel myself getting smellier and smellier. I cried in the editing room once. My dignity is being stripped away bit by bit . Have you all eaten yet? I’m Yoshida Koichi , nice to meet you all. Hello everyone, I’m JUN-chan , nice to meet you all . JUN-chan has finally come to visit our President Yoshida on JAPAN TV! I’ve been looking forward to it for so long . I’m visiting from Mihara JAPAN. Welcome, welcome! I’m so happy , I arrived even earlier than Mihara. You must be so upset that I came first. Oh, no, we all get along really well. Yes, we all get along really well . By the way, this isn’t Taipei, it’s Tokyo. We run a restaurant called “Koyori Yoshida” in Yoyogi, Shibuya Ward . We specially invited JUN-chan to be on the show today. Thank you so much for the invitation. Did you come specifically for this? Yes , I came specifically for this. I came to see President Yoshida. Thank you so much. But you’re going back to Taiwan tomorrow, right? I’m going back tomorrow just to film this. Besides this, I only filmed a video of a convenience store. Is it okay to relax a little? Yeah, but I also have a store called “Bomb Bar” in Taipei, just like President Yoshida. Yes , it’s on Linsen North Road. I’ve been there. Oh yeah, thank you so much for coming. It was so much fun! I’m so happy! Cheers! Ah, yes, cheers! Thank you. Let’s dig in! It’s so refreshing and super juicy! ( Amazing!) Amazing ! The soup is so delicious! “Bomb Bar” has been open for a while , but its theme is baseball. That’s right. We created this themed store based on the concept of “Taiwanese cheerleading,” with cheerleading-style staff and customers enjoying happy times together. Therefore, we also specially designed original uniforms. I think you’ve been asked a million times why you thought of doing this. I’ve always wanted to open a shop , but just being there by myself always felt a bit monotonous and not interesting enough. Since there are a lot of Japanese customers, I was thinking about what kind of theme would be best. It turns out Taiwanese baseball is really popular right now! Taiwanese cheerleading is also very well-known in Japan; they’re really famous, right ? Everyone knows they were famous because of Miss Qun Qun ; everyone was imitating her and learning her moves. The reason I invited JUN-chan this time is because you collaborated with IKU-sensei on a video recently, right? I watched that video and thought, “Wow, that’s amazing!” I also wanted to collaborate with JUN-chan; I’m so happy! My channel has been running for about five years; this should be our second collaboration, right? It’s the second time I’ve collaborated with Chairman ! What an honor ! Is it really okay to invite me? It’s fine; my name is “Mr. Pervert.” Is it really okay? But I’ve long since thrown away that image —or rather, abandoned it. That name was really tough, haha. But it’s okay . I’ve always wanted to introduce the charm of Japan to Taiwan , but at that time, it seemed a bit inconvenient. In Japan, at some more formal occasions, they’d ask what kind of YouTuber they wanted. Yes, that’s how it is. If they heard “Perverted Mr.”, they would n’t even consider it… If they heard “Perverted Mr.” , they’d immediately refuse to work with him. Have you ever really encountered that kind of trouble? Yes, I really have ! It was really scary. At that time, I started receiving job offers from the prefectural government. Before finalizing the deal, some higher-ups said… “Perverted Mr.” is a bit… a bit… not good… Why was he called “Perverted Mr.” back then? “Perverted Mr.” was originally a short drama series that compared Japanese and Taiwanese culture when Mihara JAPAN first started. I didn’t know you guys did that kind of thing, like Japanese greetings. Since it’s a comedy short, it naturally needs a funny ending. Speaking of “Japan,” since there’s some erotic culture involved, we introduced “Perverted Mr.” and he ended up touching Mihara’s butt. When we transitioned from short dramas to live-action, instead of just having “JUN-chan” as the character, we wanted to add another character so the audience could remember him better. We naturally connected the character settings. It wasn’t me who said, “I want to be Perverted Mr.” Was it Mihara who said it? It was Mihara who said it! But Mihara said, “I want to be an idol, so you’ll be ‘Perverted Mr.’.” Wow… is that okay? It’s okay, I used to go to an entertainment training center like Shochiku ! I’ve always loved comedy. I love making people laugh, and it’s so satisfying to be laughed at, so I kept doing it. I never imagined it would turn out like this. Of course, the name “JUN-chan” has really stuck, and “Perverted Mr.” has also become quite widespread. Even now, if I had to say which name people call me by, it would be “Perverted Mr.” That’s because my name is so strong— “perverted,” oh, Perverted Mr. Yes, yes, yes! It must have been tough, going through quite a few transitional periods. That ‘s true. After going through those stages , now… I’d rather promote my true self. Oh , I see. Weren’t we just talking about our student days? Actually, we went to the same university ! Oh yes, I was surprised too . Keio University, Faculty of Economics ! Yes, it’s Keio’s most famous faculty ! Even the faculty is the same! I was born in 1982, and I was born in 1988 , so we’re senior and junior. But we never met on campus . You only went to Keio University in college? For those who only went to Keio University, some people entered from elementary school , some from middle school or high school , and some, like us, came from university. Was Keio your first choice after passing the university entrance exam ? Or did you get in after failing the University of Tokyo entrance exam? I failed Hitotsubashi University and Hitotsubashi National University! You failed the national university entrance exam, so you’re secretly showing off how strong you are, aren’t you? Keio was my second choice. So you were in the drama club during your school days, right? What did you do back then? Mainly, after rehearsals, we’d all go drinking together. We’d drink around the “Gintama” area. It was a great place because all the first and second year students at Keio University were on the Hiyoshi campus. Right outside the ticket gates at the station, there was this thing that looked like a big golden marble— that was the so-called “Gintama.” Everyone would meet up there . I miss the backstreets of Hiyoshi so much! (So nostalgic!) We’d go to the backstreets of Hiyoshi and drink right there, right? But back then, we were students and didn’t have much money . We’d buy strong drinks at the nearby convenience store. Zero or Horoyoi often chat and drink near the campus. We usually drink outside. The shops in the backstreets of Hiyoshi are very friendly to students, right? There are really a lot of great little shops. Keio University, Waseda University, maybe too. Anyway, there are so many people who love to drink. Everyone drinks really wildly. Those who used to study so hard are completely different people now. They love to drink so much. It must be a counterproductive effect, right? Yes, it’s a counterproductive effect. I’ve gotten so drunk in the backstreets of Hiyoshi that I just passed out in the bushes (Wow! Seniors can drink so much!) (So drunk) . But everyone is very kind . The locals are really nice . Well, we’re Keio students, so let’s forgive them. I really don’t know why those who used to study so hard have changed like that. What kind of culture is this? But this seems different from Taiwan, right? Taiwanese university students don’t seem to drink as much. They don’t drink like crazy like we do. So what do they do? So, we go to places like Maokong together ! We go to Maokong together? Go to Maokong and drink tea together , like riding scooters up the mountain to see the night view, right? Yes, yes! I’ve heard of them drawing keys to assign rides , seeing who gets whose key— it ‘s so youthful and exciting ! So youthful! But what if you draw someone you dislike? You’d have to… carry that person all the way up the mountain! You’d have to grit your teeth and ride all the way up. For girls, that’s probably a time of having to endure. It would turn out like that (resistance) (endurance). You’d probably be holding your breath the whole way. And you later joined Asahi TV, right? Yes, I worked at Asahi Broadcasting in Osaka . What a coincidence! What a deep connection! It’s really fate! I’m so surprised! When I heard you talk about your experiences, I wondered why you even had the same experience working at a TV station? Haha, and the salaries at Japanese TV stations are both high and stable, the benefits are amazing! Back then, after five years of service, my annual salary was about ten million yen ! Talking about money hurts feelings, but I think you might be interested in talking about salaries in Japan. Back then, my first winter bonus was two million yen (my seniors were so amazing!!). It really shocked me. Compared to the starting salary for fresh graduates in Taiwan, it was much higher. Yes, the starting salary was really high. But even with such good conditions , I just… really enjoy performing in front of the camera and in front of people. You like being on camera? Yes , I like being on camera . I don’t really like editing. It’s quite painful to be buried in work every day, right? Yes, but after I joined the TV station, I spent about four years in the sales department. So, not the program production department, no, not the drama department, not the sports department. I was mainly responsible for promoting the programs produced by the TV station to all parts of Japan. Because there are local TV stations in various places, I was in the program sales department. So, like the Asahi TV station where President Yoshida used to work, we would also sell programs. There was this kind of work. In other words, it was a sales type. I was responsible for selling TV commercials (CM). Yes , how should I put it? Sales is actually the ace behind the scenes, right? That’s right, every day I wore a suit to meetings with various advertising agencies, and the evenings were basically all kinds of socializing , basically just drinking all the time . Yes, on my first day, I was told, “You’re a private now, you don’t know any work, we don’t have any special expectations for you, just make a good impression at the banquets , hahaha.” That sounds like the style of TV stations in the Kansai region. Make a good impression at banquets , but at ordinary gatherings, this suit would be torn, the shirt pockets ripped off, etc. That’s too much ! Making a mess at banquets, and then the next day they’d say , “You worked really hard yesterday!” Good job! Isn’t that workplace bullying now? And when something goes wrong with the program, we have to apologize . Once, after a scene in a drama where a person with multiple debts was so distressed they wanted to end it all, they actually got a consumer finance ad ! All I could do was apologize: “I’m sorry!” We’re the department that shines when we need to apologize , hahaha. Almost every day it’s power bullying, alcohol bullying , and pranks! And there are so many pranks! Our department doesn’t play pranks at all. First of all, I went to the office in the morning, sat down, opened a drawer, and a firecracker went off! “Bang!” Wow! It really startled me! But my seniors were laughing their heads off. What? The most memorable time was at a business dinner. I was forced to drink so much that I couldn’t remember how I got home. I had complete amnesia that day. The next morning, I was planning to go to the office. I woke up at 7:30. I was in Osaka, and my phone was flooded with calls from numbers starting with 06. I called back, and the person on the other end said, “This is the Sonezaki Police Station in Umeda. Do you remember yesterday at ‘Hatsutenjin’… you assaulted a police officer ?” Oh no! So please come to the Sonezaki Police Station right now. That ‘s it, this has become an assault case! In the taxi, I was really thinking, “Ah… I’m done for!” “My life is over.” I took a taxi to the police station, and there were eight seniors there. “Damn it—a prank!!” I couldn’t laugh anymore, I just cried! Hahahaha, “Great—!” No, no, no, “Great! T_T” It’s not good at all! You’ve been at the TV station for five years, right ? I spent four years in the program sales department and the last year I switched to production as an assistant director (AD) on “London Hearts” ! Wow, so famous! Being an AD on a variety show must be super hard work. When you’re an AD, are you in charge of outdoor lunchboxes? An AD’s job is probably to prepare outdoor scenes and put lunchboxes in the artists’ dressing rooms, etc. But also, because each artist is different, their favorite drinks are different too ! For example, everyone probably knows that Mr. Ariyoshi must have black coffee and absolutely no sugar, so you have to prepare a lot of it. When the two hosts of “London Hearts” have a pre-meeting with Mr. Jun , they always have to book a larger room. Do they not like small rooms? If it’s too small, the pressure during filming will be greater , so it’s best to relax in a spacious room while waiting. Each artist has different preferences for their lunchboxes. In the past, we even had to record all the cigarette brands. But being an AD is the hardest job… Actually, it’s not so bad for the artists. What’s more tiring is what the director wants to eat. Occasionally, when ordering lunchboxes, I would get nagged with things like, “This isn’t it!” or “You have terrible taste.” I once burst into tears in the editing room . I was 28 years old at the time. A 28-year-old man crying there! I hadn’t been home for about two weeks and felt myself getting smellier and smelly… Then I still had to bite the bullet and order the bento, only to be told “This isn’t the bento.” I completely lost it and thought, “I can eat any bento!” (Laughter from someone who’s been there) “Why should I be scolded like this for a mere bento?!” That’s how I completely broke down. I’m not usually good at expressing my emotions, so it’s hard to imagine JUN-chan being like this. You were really pushed to your limit. Assistant directors have no “human rights.” They’re basically slaves. They really have no human rights. I was terrified at that time. Whether it’s the ADs from outsourced production companies or the ADs from the TV station itself, it’s the same for all ADs. They have no human rights . If you don’t really love variety shows, you can’t endure it. If you don’t like it, you can’t endure it. If you don’t love it, you can’t do that job. That show was Mr. Kaji’s show, right? Yes, he ‘s a very famous producer in Japan . Those people are really doing this out of love. No matter how tired they are, they don’t feel tired. They just want to make better shows. That’s the kind of atmosphere. Some people even live in the editing room ! There are people who can’t go home for days, there really are . You can really feel yourself getting dirtier and dirtier, your whole body stinking, your dignity being stripped away little by little, I understand! It’s really tough, but even though you’re working hard, you must be happy, right? After all, it’s a popular show. But I don’t have the luxury of feeling “happy,” so even if I don’t want to smoke, I’ll still smoke because smoking time is considered a permitted break. That’s the culture back then, “smoking break” is OK. Since smoking is allowed, I’ll try to squeeze out a little more break time . Actually, I don’t really like smoking that much, so I choose the kind of cigarettes that I can smoke for a while and slowly smoke two at a time. I totally understand you. Also, the show editing often requires various past materials, and finding tapes is also AD’s job. I’ll stay in the warehouse , always thinking, “Ah, why can’t I find it…” I try to stall for time here to keep some distance from the editor, but I still keep calling to urge progress, “How long are you going to take?” “Sorry, sorry.” “I haven’t found it yet.” Sometimes I’ll even sneak a 5-minute nap in the bathroom, really, really! Everyone’s taken a nap in the bathroom, right? Or slept on the stairwell platform (ah, I know). Everyone would find a fixed spot where they wouldn’t get caught and just kill time there. Those days were really tough. After going through that, nothing else really matters! You’re right! Thanks to it, updating videos every day felt easy , nothing was a big deal, totally OK. Maybe that’s why “Mihara JAPAN” was able to grow all the way up. Back then, we were the only YouTubers updating videos every day. Many of us came from TV stations. The high-intensity work was actually manageable for us. The Japanese training methods are just different. We could hold on even without sleep. It was really no problem. Uploading new videos to YouTube every day was totally doable (relieved). I think this question has been asked to death. Why did you choose to develop your career in Taiwan? Mihara and I met in the drama club at Keio University. The main reason I came to Taiwan was because Mihara invited me. For the first four years of my career, the department I worked in had a relatively relaxed workload; I could leave around 6 PM on weekdays—it was so easy! So, the salary was relatively low, but I had free time on weekday evenings and all day on weekends. Using that time, Mihara and I started YouTube together , and that’s how we started our channel. And yes, you two have been close friends since your student days. After entering the workforce, we started a channel targeting the Japanese market. At first, we made prank videos and the like. Actually, it wasn’t initially content aimed at the Taiwanese audience. Later, Mihara said, “I want to do what I truly want to do.” His original dream was to become an idol. I know that becoming an idol in Japan is too difficult— impossible, impossible— because it’s not comparable to groups like Johnny’s (now STARTO). Yes, the company . But maybe there’s still a chance if he goes overseas as a foreign idol. He has a sharp eye for Taiwan; he’s really a visionary. He’s very popular and gained popularity quickly. He’s really successful. But at the beginning, we didn’t do anything idol-style. Like I just said, we made short dramas comparing Japanese and Taiwanese culture. We started by getting Taiwanese audiences to know our channel through those videos, and it gradually got on track. Then, because I became busy after joining the production unit at the TV station, I temporarily left the channel for a while. So, during the time of “London Hearts,” I was an AD for variety shows and didn’t have time to do those. I think Mihara couldn’t stand this situation, and since things were going well in Taiwan, it gave you the opportunity to go to Taiwan. I think that’s one of the reasons. He’s really a good person. For various reasons , he said, “JUN-chan, why don’t you quit your job and do YouTube together?” He invited me like that , and since I originally wanted to appear in front of the camera and was very interested in this kind of activity , I resigned from the company. “Mihara JAPAN” is a really brilliant format. Are you two discussing and deciding on the ability to be funny, sing , and create serious works with a theatrical style ? The direction of “Mihara JAPAN” was mainly led by Mihara, who was responsible for creating the channel format. I was just the one appearing on camera, and we just skyrocketed to fame. We really did take off, but our most popular videos were the mukbang videos (surprisingly, that’s the type!). It was also the most tiring because we updated videos every day , which meant we had to eat a lot every day, so we definitely gained a lot of weight, right? Our principle after gaining weight was to not leave any food behind ! Absolutely no food left behind , no faking it, eating it all – was that really eating? Yes , so we drifted further and further away from the “idol” route . Mihara still cares a little about this, haha . “Hey! Can we still be idols like this?” Although our appearance changed, our subscriber count increased, but does anyone really want to see two fat people perform live? Your faces both got rounder. At first, you looked quite sharp on camera , yeah! So, recently I appeared on the show “Chinese Monster.” The first episode seems to have 3.4 million views already. There’s a poster for “Chinese Monster” with about 15 people on it, and 7 or 8 of them are Japanese —that’s a lot! So, Japanese people appear a lot in the show’s highlights. Even though I was eliminated in the first round, I’m on the poster , hahaha. It seems like only I, the Japanese person, got eliminated; everyone else passed. Which question did I get stuck on? The four tones ! Oh, the four tones ! I didn’t really study the four tones properly . Hey, you didn’t study them? I studied them super hard! You know the four tones ! I even got the highest level on the HSK (Chinese Proficiency Test), and I also passed the “Junior High School Proficiency Test Level 1.” I ‘ve been working hard on the four tones. Well, you should go on the show next time! Sigh, I didn’t receive an invitation this time. The person who should be on the show is right here! President Yoshida! You’ve already tried your best, haven’t you? The moment I knew it was a four-tone competition, I immediately switched strategies to the “improvisational approach.” Your improvisation was truly amazing! The show really used those scenes extensively, which made me realize my strategy switch was correct . Actually, it was about following the director’s intentions ! Yes! I was acting while thinking . No wonder you’re from a TV station; your past experience came in handy here. I just heard Jun-chan mention living like a slave during her salary days, right? That’s right. After five years as a corporate slave , the scenery and environment you see after coming to Mihara JAPAN must have completely changed, right? It has changed , but in Mihara’s team, because Mihara was the main leader of the company, and I was just an employee , I received a fixed salary. I’m very grateful to Mihara. From that kind of life back then, to now, I’ve become independent , going from being employed to being the employer. That ‘s right, with that change in position, isn’t the view completely different? Completely different. To be honest, I often feel that I might not be suited to my current situation, but I still grit my teeth and do it . Is that right? Originally, I was working hard for Mihara and to promote the “Mihara JAPAN” channel. Now, I have to think about “what I want to do.” All the judgments have to be made by myself. If I don’t have a direction I want to take, no one will follow me. But in the past, I’ve always thought about “how to help others achieve what they want to do.” That’s the kind of thinking I had . I rarely advocated for what I wanted to do. To be honest, I didn’t really have anything that “absolutely had to be done.” Actually, the most important job of a manager is not to work hard or sweat it out, but to give the order: “We must move in this direction!” Make decisions like that and take responsibility for them. If “running this way” is wrong , then the whole team will be wiped out. It really is like that. “We have to climb this mountain.” But if the wrong mountain is chosen, even if the people at the bottom are excellent and the on-site staff are capable , it will still fail. So, the next mountain to climb is here. “Let’s move forward this way” —this act of “making a decision” is key . Yes, I’ve always been thinking about “how to climb the mountain that others have decided to climb,” and I’ve been doing that for about thirty-five years. Now, to suddenly say, “I want to climb this mountain,” making that kind of decision feels a bit strange and not quite natural . Yes , you’ll probably be hiring employees soon, right? With our current size of about thirty people, everyone has families to support, and there are so many of us. It’s terrifying to think about shouldering these responsibilities and carrying the burden of supporting hundreds of people. Sometimes, when making a decision, I really hesitate. I think that’s true, and that’s the scariest part for me right now. Conversely, I think you should focus on this matter. So, you should do those things yourself. Actually, as a leader, you shouldn’t do those things anymore; just leave them to trusted people. The key is to point out the direction: “This way!” “I’ll take responsibility!” I think that’s probably the most important key, and that ‘s the hardest thing. Not everyone can do that. I think Japanese people, especially, aren’t good at this kind of thing. I agree because few people are used to making these kinds of decisions themselves. After all, choosing something means giving up other options. I can’t give up other options. It really takes a lot of courage and determination. So, in order to make the right judgment , instead of burying myself in work every day, I should meet more people, communicate, and collect first-hand information that AI won’t tell you, so that my judgment becomes more and more accurate. That’s my own idea. It sounds like a life counseling session! Sorry, JUN-chan. Have you felt any changes since becoming the president ? To be honest, I’m doing something I’m not good at right now , but that also means that if I can do it, I’ll become a more interesting person and be able to do more things. It’s rare that I’ve obtained permanent residency in Taiwan and opened a shop, so I’ll do more things that I never even thought of. If I had stayed at a Japanese TV station until I was 65, I could do things that I couldn’t do before. That’s right, getting along well with myself. If life could be like that, it wouldn’t be bad. So, do you think being the president is great? Great! I’m drunk, really! It’s really great! This is a challenge, isn’t it? It is a challenge , and challenges are indeed a good thing. Taiwan’s culture of not sticking to one company and moving between different places is truly wonderful. JUN-chan, thank you so much for today! “Likewise, and I’m very grateful to the president for inviting you to Japan. I’m so happy ! Oh, thank you so much for the invitation! The program is now entering its final segment. Could you please name a number you like between 1 and 108 ? Well, number 77. Number 77 is ‘Magic Cheers!’ ‘Magic Cheers?!’ I’m good at magic. I can make this liquid in front of me disappear instantly. There’s quite a bit in there ! Let’s begin! Ta-da! There’s more ! Ta-da! Cover it with a towel and you can’t see it! The liquid is still there! And there’s more! The beer is still there ! Here it comes! 3, 2 , 1 ! Ta-da! What will happen? I think there’s still some left? JUN-chan ! 3 ! 2 ! 1! Disappeared! Eh! It ‘s really gone! Wait, what’s this? President! It’s number 77. Are all these numbers different? Yes! There are 108 different numbers in total! That’s amazing! Are there really every single one? Yes! That’s incredible!” This person is amazing! (smug) You’re the president! 1-9-6 Yoyogi, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo. I run “Koyori Yoshida” on the first floor of Yoyogi Park Highlands . Also, “Todoroki Bar” is waiting for you! I run “Todoroki Bar” at 76, Lane 119, Linsen North Road. We have cheerleaders-style staff waiting for you ! Please come and play! Nice to meet you ! Minmin, please choose a number from 1 to 108. How about number 9? What could it be? Number 9? Number 9 is 720 ? Number 9 is 720?! 360 times 2 , this glass will rotate 720 degrees! Let’s begin! Please subscribe , like, and give us a high rating ! Please! Wow, that arm is spinning so fast! Please! Eh—! (Have a safe trip!) Cheers—! See you in Taipei, everyone ! Please also subscribe to JUN-chan’s channel!

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